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The Hindi form was intended for the use of Hindus, and was derived from Urdu by ejecting all words of Persian or Arabic origin, and substituting them with words either borrowed from Sanskrit or derived from the old primary Prakrit.^[1]

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^ Grierson, George Abraham (1911). "Hindostani" . In Chisholm, Hugh (ed.). Encyclopædia Britannica. Vol. 13 (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press. [T]he Persian element was first introduced in excess by the pliant Hindu officials employed in the Mogul administration, and acquainted with Persian, rather than by Persians and Persianized Moguls ... The Hindi form of Hindostani was invented ... for the use of Hindus, and was derived from Urdu by ejecting all words of Persian or Arabic birth, and substituting for them words either borrowed from Sanskrit (tatsamas) or derived from the old primary Prakrit (tadbhavas). Owing to ... its supplying the need for a lingua franca which could be used by the most patriotic Hindus without offending their religious prejudices, it became widely adopted ... Urdu, on the other hand, having had a natural growth, has a vigorous poetical literature.

Beingking (talk) 19:10, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The information is correct Beingking (talk) 19:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hindi is derived from Urdu? Didn't both stem from Khari Boli? Wicontrib4 (talk) 00:13, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 21:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Request: change "हिन्दुस्तानी·ہِنْدُوسْتانی" to "हिन्दुस्तानी·ہِنْدُوسْتانی·𑂯𑂱𑂢𑂠𑂳𑂮𑂹𑂞𑂰𑂢𑂲" in infobox-cc

Reason: used in Fijian Hindustani, Carribean Hindustani, and many Hindustani dialects like Awadhi, Bhojpuri, Magahi, and Nagpuri as well. Wicontrib4 (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. This seems like a Brahmic script, possibly Kaithi. Can you please name the script and provide a source that states it is still used in modern times?

— Urro^{[talk][edits]}

18:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Apart from the obvious anachronism, I should add that Awadhi, Bhojpuri, Magahi, and Nagpuri are not "Hindustani dialects" but sister varieties to Hindustani as understood here (the Delhi-based vernacular that has given rise to two literary standards viz. Hindi and Urdu). Nor are Fijian Hindustani, Carribean Hindustani the same as Hindustani "proper"; they are mostly Awadhi/Bhojpuri-based. –Austronesier (talk) 20:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources are in Kaithi - it lists these languages as ones that use it. It's not significantly used in modern times, however there's some revival efforts backed by universities to use this as a secondary script to Devanagari (rather than in place of it).

I dont care, insignificant edit; unnecessary Wicontrib4 (talk) 05:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colloquial Urdu

If we can call Hindustani as Colloquial Hindi in the top-line, why can we not call it Colloquial Urdu as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.96.10.188 (talk) 07:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hindustani is not the official language of India. Even the official wikipedia page for India states Hindi and English. Kindly please recheck the source provided within the article and confirm the same. 188.66.167.90 (talk) 18:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The sources confirm the statement. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Grierson, George Abraham (1911). "Hindostani" . In Chisholm, Hugh (ed.). Encyclopædia Britannica. Vol. 13 (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press. [T]he Persian element was first introduced in excess by the pliant Hindu officials employed in the Mogul administration, and acquainted with Persian, rather than by Persians and Persianized Moguls ... The Hindi form of Hindostani was invented ... for the use of Hindus, and was derived from Urdu by ejecting all words of Persian or Arabic birth, and substituting for them words either borrowed from Sanskrit (tatsamas) or derived from the old primary Prakrit (tadbhavas). Owing to ... its supplying the need for a lingua franca which could be used by the most patriotic Hindus without offending their religious prejudices, it became widely adopted ... Urdu, on the other hand, having had a natural growth, has a vigorous poetical literature.

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